The backdrop to the team’s constant training, client communication, and collaborative culture is Interrante’s leadership approach that seeks to integrate his team’s efforts throughout the organization. “Traditionally, NPR stations cultivate everyone to help maximize membership,” Interrante says. “At XPN, all departments have done that for corporate support as well.”
Approximately 35% of WXPN’s revenue comes from corporate support and Interrante attributes that in part to what he calls “everyone rowing the boat in the same direction.”
“We don’t stay in our own lane,” Interrante says. “I believe in getting in other [departments’] lanes and inviting them in ours as well. I believe in having everyone aligned.”
Corporate support has partnered with programming to develop many new assets, like sponsorships for an eight day on-air A-Z 90’s Countdown that, along with spot buys, brought in well over $90,000 in revenue this year. “These are crown-jewel marquee events that give us a story to tell to clients,” Swartz says. “Tom has collaborated with programming to get those assets for us to sell.”
The collaboration is rooted in relationship-building. “I believe in managing by walking around,” Interrante says. “It’s old-fashioned, but if I want to talk to our PD, I may just walk over and say, ‘Do you have a second?’ That’s how my staff does it too, internally and externally. You can use relationships to get something done that may not have been done in the past. The key is not asking for too much and being a true partner. We have a tremendous programming team and we collaborate very well with them.”
True partnership requires mutual trust. Interrante says he focuses on what’s best for the organization, not just his department. “I’m not the type of sales manager who will push for everything if it’s not the right thing to do,” he says, like when the station programmed its first Rock Block Weekend. “Some asked if we could sponsor it, but I said let’s just let it breathe. That’s what’s in the best interest of the organization.”
“Plus,” he adds, “When I do ask ‘Can I do this?’ [the PD] knows I need it and it’s for significant revenue and in the best interest of the station.”
It’s also why corporate support has not pushed to increase the number of on-air spots each hour. “We have four spots an hour and most sales managers would want more,” Interrante says. “I don’t want more. Our time spent listening (TSL) is very strong and a main reason is because we only run four spots an hour. We’re exclusive, unique, and powerful [because the spots] are a showcase island. The sales team is really confident about the value of their assets. I don’t want to tinker with that.”
Interrante attributes this focus on balance to his roots in commercial radio and a respect for public radio’s mission. “Not everything from the ‘dark’ commercial world is bad,” he contends. His goal is to take the best from each and leave the rest aside.
For the sales team, it’s both partnership and accountability that make their work feel rewarding. “We were led through the pandemic with empathy,” Swartz says. “But we were also focused. [We learned] how to be agile, work on soft skills like being mindful and active listening, and how important dynamic communication is to the sales process. [Interrante] insists we tell him what he needs to hear, not what he wants to hear. That creates psychological safety in our department.”
“We work hard, and we laugh. We really enjoy each other,” she adds. “I always say I love being a part of this team and the culture we’ve collectively created.”